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Post by Sneltrekker on Apr 29, 2006 12:24:48 GMT
Hopefully that title was insulting enough to catch your attention. ;D
I was having a discussion earlier on Power and Trash Metal vs Black and Death Metal with a friend. Thought it would be interesting to discuss with more metalheads, since I recognise his stance among several other Extreme Death/Black fans.
Basically, he blames Power Metal of being a non-technical mix of pop and metal, thus being as mainstream as it gets, Sonata Arctica for example. Since their only technicality is added by producers.
I blame Death/Black of being non-technical because it doesn't even possess a melody (excluding melodic death and some symphonic black then, which I both love). And I would say that in certain bands (*coughs* Leng T'che) it would be even safe to replace the instruments the band uses with pneumatic power tools since it's just about making noise as fast and as loud as possible.
This is NOT a discussion of which is BETTER ... It's a discussion of whether you think ANY metal can be considered mainstream, and stuff like HIM etc is NOT metal, neither is nu-metal actual metal to me and I hate the name. I call it mallcore ffs, like many others afaik, at least that name doesn't imply it's metal.
Anyway, I'm not meaning to diss Death/Black either ... I do listen to bands like Aborted as well and actually enjoy it sometimes. I just want to know why so many of their fans seem to consider any metal that incorporates keyboards as mainstream bands?
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Post by jamahara on Apr 29, 2006 17:37:27 GMT
Id never call Children Of Bodom mainstream, but Alexi seems to be weighing towards becoming as heavy as they can, just gotta wait for the next album to see if its true or not.
And i agree that HIM and all that bullshit can never be called Metal, its just so piss compared to everything else.
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Post by Sneltrekker on Apr 29, 2006 17:52:51 GMT
It's not about being piss ... I like some HIM songs even. But it's hard rock by it's music, not metal, no matter what they say.
Mallcore is either rap music with metal/rock in the background like Limp Bizkit or just punkrock, Blink 182. Neither would fall under actual metal. That's why I personally don't classify them under metal.
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Post by kiriyama on Apr 29, 2006 18:42:50 GMT
I don't care what anyone thinks because HIM are my favourite band and always has been since 2000. They are not classed as metal and this 'Love Metal' idea they brought out does't justify anything. I agree that they are more hard rock and even goth rock like bands such as The 69 Eyes and Icon and The Black Roses.
I also agree about Alexi. To be honest, along with HIM, i think Children Of Bodom are drifting away from their folk infulences and feel from previous albums and establishing this 'American' feel. Personally, i really don't like this but i guess its upto them.
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Post by CoralSkywalker on Apr 30, 2006 10:45:47 GMT
Hmm, yeah well, endless discussion ^^ What mainstream and what's not? HIM for example are a well-known band and they have certain metal-influences; that's why mainstream people that know nothing about "real" metal, might call them a metal band.. But that doesn't proof anything does it? For example: the band Sentenced, which is not at all well-known (that is not in Belgium anyway), can sound almost the same as HIM in my opinion (eg their song "Blood and Tears") but still they're seen as a gothic/melodeath and even death metal band! oO strange right..
Personally I don't care if a band is 'mainstream' or not.. I only have to like it ^^
BTW: calling a band like COB or In Flames mainstream.. yeah really think again.. None of my non-metal friends has EVER heard of those names..
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Post by elvenwizard on Apr 30, 2006 13:34:22 GMT
Anyway, I'm not meaning to diss Death/Black either ... I do listen to bands like Aborted as well and actually enjoy it sometimes. I just want to know why so many of their fans seem to consider any metal that incorporates keyboards as mainstream bands? Maybe they think "tr00" metal can only have guitars and drums, anything else is mainstream and shit. When some people say "Sonata Arctica is soooo mainstream" I think... "well, in my country, they've NEVER been played in the radio..." In my opinion, any kind of metal can be good, even mallcore, nu metal, or as you want to name it... I hate tagging music, it's kinda useless. |
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Post by jamahara on May 1, 2006 14:17:28 GMT
It sucks they dont have Metal radio.
Stupid Political Correctness deems all Metal as corrupting. But look where it got me to, insanity! Didnt do me no harm. But maybe it did to my friends 0_o
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Post by blood_brother on May 2, 2006 18:22:29 GMT
I believe that Power Metal is one of the most accessible genres in Metal. I think that when they would play it on the radio a lot of people would like it. At least some songs. Sometimes power metal songs are quit 'easy' I think. But now it's far from popular. Someone who doesn't listen to metal hardly knows that power metal exists.
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Post by Seryn on May 3, 2006 0:21:05 GMT
Haha, ive learnt that from first hand experince. Only 6 months ago i would have cringed at the thought of listening to any of sort of metal. I thought all metal was like what i now know as death and black metal. Man was i fucking stupid  I had no idea that metal could be so symphonic or melodic. If only they played more stuff like Sonata Arctica and Edguy on the radio, i would have learnt that far earlier. |
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Post by Ashildr on May 3, 2006 15:53:43 GMT
Someone who doesn't listen to metal hardly knows that power metal exists. Totally agreed! Sometimes I talk with my girlfriends about what I would call 'very known metalbands' and they just don't understand a fuck of it  But I would have done the same 1 year ago  Most people just know those fuckin' nu-metal bands, with posers and such... They give a totally wrong image of the metalscene...  It's pretty hard to find ppl of my age who know a bit about metal... Most are wannabe's etc. |
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Post by Silhouette on May 6, 2006 22:21:17 GMT
A band that's not trying to stand out, that's what mainstream is. A band that tries to make it big time by copying successful elements from another band/other bands, that is mainstream.
Sonata Arctica is "weak", so to say, they aren't very heavy, they have very nice and easy melodies, but they're still a pretty technical band, especially their guitarist (although I don't listen to them very much anymore, since I'm getting bored by the same old material over and over).
Extreme metal (death/black) is of course also technical, I mean, it requires quit a lot to play at such high speed.
You can't measure a bands mainstream rate from their technicality.
But, as Coral said, endless discussion.
I agree about most of the things said about nu-metal (I do prefer to call it mallcore, though, band will do so from now on),
it really does give people the wrong impression of the metal scene.
But (and I guess You'll never talk to me again know) I really like Slipknot. Why? Maybe because they didn't copy anyone, they play their style and their good at it.
Maybe because they are a very, very tight and technical band, consisting of no less than nine members.
Being tight with nine people on stage, now that's hard!
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