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Post by CoralSkywalker on May 18, 2006 18:57:27 GMT
Umm right, since most of the topics on this board deal with politics, this is one about religion..
Personally I'm a religious person BUT I dispise 'religions'.. This may sound like some paradox but I'll try to explain ^^ I'm against the big world religions like christianity, islam or jews (dunno the substantive ^^). This is because I think those religions are way to fundamentalistic and intolerant. Besides I don't like the idea of just following powerful peoples ideas without thinking for yourself.. Then there's things like crusades or jihads. On the other hand, I think every person should - for thereselves - think about "God", the meaning of life and death and things like that.. So I approve of 'personal religions'.
In my introduction on this boards I called myself a pagan. That's not because I worship old gods and godesses really, but because I believe in some other older nature principles.. If some people wish to call them gods or godesses, they go ahead.. I just call them 'forces'.. actually I don't call them anything. I just believe in things like the five elements, reincarnation and stuff.
But I think religion is like philosophy.. It's something to think about, and keep thinking about.. You should not just accept an idea, but creating your own idea's and revising them during your life..
What about you guys? Are you religious or don't you give a shit? ^^
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Post by Sneltrekker on May 18, 2006 20:24:37 GMT
I thought a lot about religion. I studied most religions. Have read parts of the Quran, have studied the bible, have studied Wicca, Asatru, Roman/Greek pantheons and satanism.
My belief on gods is polytheistic. I believe all gods that are worshipped must exist. I just do'nt believe in omnipotence/omniscience/omniwhatever. I don't even like the nomen God.
I refer to them as spirits. Parasitic spirits that gain their power through human worship. By people's belief and worship in them, they grow stronger. Yahweh was just a simple desert spirit once and by convincing his followers to violently take control over most of earth he gained more power.
Anyway, that belief is also why I don't worship any spirits. I worship myself and myself only.
I just don't belief any religion is right. After all, every religion, our god(s) is/are the only real one(s). That's a problem. Since they can't all be right. So either all gods exist, or no gods exist, by simple logic.
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Post by krazor on May 18, 2006 22:57:39 GMT
I wouldn't really consider myself to be all that religious (although the main point in world religions class is that everyone is religious, but that's another debate).
Personally, the thing I can't stand about religion is how it becomes so organized and ritualistic, that it loses sight of what it was all about in the first place. Things like the hypocrisy that is so obvious in churches, i've noticed in Christianity particular, is what really turns me off from religion.
Now that isn't to say that I'm against the beliefs or anything, but rather what seems to be a sort of culture that has formed around the religion. I mentioned about the stuff that bugs me, but as for the actual beliefs, I'd say I'd have to be closest to Christianity. A lot of it just makes sense as far as practical living, such as loving your neighbour, being kind, etc. I think a lot of those values are pretty important, but most of all, whatever you believe, don't do so because others are doing it or someone is forcing you to. Religion is what is most important to YOU, not your parents, society or anyone else.
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Post by metal_leper on May 19, 2006 0:18:47 GMT
I'm not religious. I don't believe in God (or anything else), but I wish I did.
It doesn't really matter whether or not God exists, all that matters is that you believe...
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Post by Seryn on May 19, 2006 2:26:23 GMT
Officially, i'm a Catholic ( One of only two Christians here on the forums according to the intro threads ) but while i prescribe to some Christian beliefs, i would unoffically count my beilefs as being a 'personal religion', to use Corals term, and probably part Agnostic. I'm Catholic because that's the religion my parents chose for me, and i will most likely remain one, but more out of convenience of having an 'official' religion. I don't go to church or particiapte in any sort of regular religious rituals. I don't beleive the events of the bible to be true, but more symbolic and while i do follow the morals it sets out, i do so because they are simply the 'right' things to do, not becuase the Catholic Church expects me too. If i disagree with a practice or beleif of the church i simply don't follow it. I beleive what i want to beleive, not what some institution wants us to beleive. In summary, i guess you could simply say that unoffically i dont belong to any established religion really, though i would count myself as a religious person, even if i can't make up my mind if God actually exists or not
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Post by CoralSkywalker on May 19, 2006 9:45:41 GMT
My parents are supposed to be chistians too - my dad's even a religion teacher ^^ - but they're not "fundimentalistic" at all.. My dad can't stand people that read the bible as if everything in there is true; he wants to make people understand it's all symbolical.. I was raised in a catholic way you could say, because of my parent's backgrounds, and when I was a kid we used to go to church very often. Now we don't go anymore cause we got issues with our priest ^^
The only thing I've learned from christianty in general is indeed like some others above said: the values etc. They're sort of guidelines.. and I see them a quite important for everyone's personal life..
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Post by Sneltrekker on May 20, 2006 18:15:39 GMT
Christian values. Mh ... if they hadn't been raped by the organised church so much I might just believe in them still.
To feed and harbour the poor? If that means being forced for centuries to "donate" taxes to churches and abbeys so the monks and priests can live in rooms with for that timeperiod unknown luxury, and have 5 course meals every day with good wine. Then yes, I guess those values are true.
WHERE do all the riches of the Catholic church come from? From the people, the plebeians.
If even the leaders of the Church refuse to follow Christian values, why should I follow them? Have you ever visited Vatican City? As beautiful as it is, it made me sick, and made me think it was the most disgusting sight ever. It's the best vision of how decadent the Church has been/is.
My values are simple. My freedom is what matters. My health is what matters. As long as I have everything I need, I will share with those needier than me. But I will not go out of my way for others. If I would find 500 € on the street I would keep a big part of it. The rest would go straigth to a charity. I don't trust those cops enough to let them take care of it.
If Jesus lived these days he'd freak out and give the people in the Vatican the same treatment as he treated those whores and shopkeepers in the Temple when he still lived. With the whip and anger.
And about Jesus, to me he holds a place together with Ché, Marx, Proudhon, Kropotkin, Tolstoy, etc. He was simply a mortal human, who hoped to reorganise the organised worshippers of Yahweh in a form that was free-er, more loving, and quite close to anarcho-communism really.
Until the moment the Romand Emperors made Christianity their official religion the Christian church actually stayed very close to those ideals of Jesus.
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Post by CoralSkywalker on May 21, 2006 10:37:10 GMT
Uhu, you're totally right.. The church has abused the christian religion way much.. But that's something I think happens with every religion that is imposed on a mass of people.. the big guys always run away with the money; most of the times they don't even believe in their 'religion' themselves..
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Post by Sneltrekker on May 21, 2006 10:41:37 GMT
Religious suffering is at one and the same time the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. - Karl Marx
Just kind of fits your saying IMO that the big guys always run off with the good stuff.
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Post by CoralSkywalker on May 21, 2006 10:45:46 GMT
Uhu, it does.. Marx was kind of a smart guy ^^
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Post by Silhouette on May 21, 2006 21:49:33 GMT
I guessed You could call me an ateist, I've researched some different religions, and realized I can't just fit into one religion. There is often a good thought behind most religions, and finding out what it's really about, You can easily take the parts You like of a religion and take them into Your own ideology. You could even call it Your own religion. Everyone is an individual with different ideologies, so just trying to fit into one religion just feels strange, I think.
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Post by CoralSkywalker on May 22, 2006 14:20:21 GMT
There is often a good thought behind most religions, and finding out what it's really about, You can easily take the parts You like of a religion and take them into Your own ideology. You could even call it Your own religion. Everyone is an individual with different ideologies, so just trying to fit into one religion just feels strange, I think. ^^ Exactly! It's fun.. we all seems to agree it seems when it comes to religion
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Post by Silhouette on May 22, 2006 19:39:08 GMT
We all seem to agree in quite a lot in the 'Philosophy / Politics / Religion'-board actually.
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Post by CoralSkywalker on May 23, 2006 16:59:13 GMT
We all seem to agree in quite a lot in the 'Philosophy / Politics / Religion'-board actually. It's probably a sort of metal-minded-ness we all share ;D
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Post by krazor on May 23, 2006 21:23:00 GMT
We all seem to agree in quite a lot in the 'Philosophy / Politics / Religion'-board actually. It's probably a sort of metal-minded-ness we all share ;D Yep, looks like the brain-washing has begun
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Post by Sneltrekker on May 23, 2006 21:43:50 GMT
Well, better metal-brainwashing than biased mass media brainwashing.
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Post by Silhouette on May 24, 2006 20:12:40 GMT
You got point! Though I haven't got much of a metal mind, actually, so I think I might be an exception in Your theory, Coral. I just happen to agree with You anyway.
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Post by metal_leper on May 24, 2006 21:03:38 GMT
The gods made heavy metal and they saw that it was good... \m/
(I'm sure that's somehow relevant, anyway)
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Post by Sneltrekker on May 24, 2006 22:29:48 GMT
Thor made Power Metal and saw it was good. Hel made Doom Metal and saw it was good. Beelzebub made Black Metal and saw it was good.
Yahweh stood by and saw their success, retreated to Rome and began crying because all he had was gospel.
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Post by CoralSkywalker on May 25, 2006 8:59:01 GMT
Thor made Power Metal and saw it was good. Hel made Doom Metal and saw it was good. Beelzebub made Black Metal and saw it was good. Yahweh stood by and saw their success, retreated to Rome and began crying because all he had was gospel. Mwahaa ;D hilarious..
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